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The Manning Reign

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Whenever there’s a discussion about elite Quarterbacks Peyton and Eli Manning are both mentioned. Peyton is universally known as the Greatest Regular Season Quarterback ever, while Eli is known as the only to defeat Tom Brady not only once…. but TWICE. Together they have accounted for 3 Super Bowls, 3 Super Bowl MVPs, 17 Pro Bowl selections and 5 NFL MVP awards.

For the past few seasons both players haven’t sustained great play.

Last season in particular we saw an ailing Peyton fail to make the appropriate throws necessary for his team to be successful. Was his minor thigh injury to blame? Or was it because of his torn right quad? Maybe the neck surgery finally caught up to him…….Whatever the case may be Peyton is not right and he hasn’t been the same since losing to the Seahawks in the Super Bowl a couple of years back. Is he starting to decline or is it too soon to conclude?

Eli on the other hand hasn’t been consistent. After winning the Super Bowl in 2012(season of 2011) his teams have finished with records of 9-7, 7-9 & 6-10 missing the playoffs in each of those years. Here at the start of 2015 his team is facing an 0-1 hole after questionable decision making on his behalf. Is he worth the $84 million contract extension recently signed? Or is he officially overpaid?

Me and fellow writer @deshawnh are about to dive in….

Eli Manning:

Raiders vs Giants

Ryan Fort: In the case of Eli I don’t believe he’s worth $85 million. For a guy whose won multiple Super Bowls he still makes rookie mistakes which doesn’t bode too well for me. In my eyes that displays a lack of growth, leadership and passion for the game. When you look at his numbers you can’t tell if he’s getting better or worse from a year to year basis. Serious question, why do some view him as an elite. Please enlighten me.

Deshawn Hornback: Well where to start? I honestly believe Eli catches a little more criticism than he should because he is not an awful QB. With that being said he has never been elite and the money he is getting paid shows otherwise. Eli makes more money than his brother Peyton, Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan, Tony Romo, Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers. He is not better than any of those I mentioned. He had his best season last year, but I could easily see him relapsing like he has so many times before.

Fort: I believe he deserves every little ounce of criticism. Peyton, Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Brees are all ways viewed as the favorites to win their respective divisions and contend for a Super Bowl while Eli isn’t. Guys like Romo, Michael Vick, Robert Griffin lll and Nick Foles have constantly outshined him. You can pick any year from his career and I guarantee you he wasn’t the best quarterback in his division at that time.

Hornback: I can agree with Eli never being the best QB in the division, but I would not say that the Giants have never been given the expectations of a division title with him at the helm. He had some elite defenses. I have two questions for you. Do you believe that Eli will receive a spot in Canton and do you believe he deserves to be there?

Fort: Yeah, he did have some elite defenses. And as far as the whole Canton idea goes I’m on the fence. I believe he’ll have a spot because his last name is Manning. But as far as deserving a spot goes, it could go either way. What’s your take?

Hornback: I believe he will without a doubt because of that first championship alone and how it all went down, but when it comes to truly deserving it I say no. I really believe that he isn’t a top 50 QB ever. He barely has anything outside of the two championships in terms of accolades and the numbers definitely don’t support the idea of him being a Hall of Famer.

Fort: Agreed. He has a lot of ground to make up if he wants to be mentioned with the likes of Peyton, Joe Montana, Brett Farve etc. Eli Manning is nothing more than a modern day era Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson. Granted, he is a better passer than the two I just mentioned but that’s not saying very much.

Denver Broncos vs New England Patriots AFC Championship at Sports Authority Field

Fort: Let’s get away from Eli for a second and turn our attention towards Peyton… Does he still have it?

Hornback: Well do I believe he still has it. Will he be a top 3 QB this year like he was for about 12 straight years? No. I do still think he can be a top 10 QB that does just enough to win, because the team he has right now is the best overall team he has ever been on in my opinion. They have arguably a top 5 defense, CJ Anderson started to rejuvenate their run game at the end of last year, and their receiving core still has Demariyus Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders. Peyton does not need to be great; he only has to be good. And in that sense I believe Peyton still has something. After the first half of his game in Arrowhead everyone on social media was overreacting and saying how he was done. Then, even though it was the ugliest  drive I had ever seen from him, he still got them a tie ball game in the final minute of a crucial division road game.

Fort: I don’t think Peyton has entirely too much left. Ever since he lead Denver to historical numbers offensively a few seasons ago I think he started to fall off. His throwing power isn’t the same nor is his accuracy. Can he still play? Yes, but I don’t know for how much longer.

Hornback: I really believe he has a great chance to lead Denver to a championship this year. He has tremendous talent all around him. The only weakness I see is his offensive line but it is not awful. Of course I don’t have Denver winning the AFC but it would not surprise me one bit to see him representing the AFC again this year.

Fort: It wouldn’t surprise me either because of Wade Phillips’ defense. As far as the offense goes I think Gary Kubiak needs to take a step back. He came to Denver with the intent on extending Manning’s career by having him play the late John Elway role. In Houston and Baltimore that system was better suited because he had Arian Foster and Justin Forsett in the backfield, while having inconsistency in the quarterbacking department as Matt Schuab and Joe Flacco were his leaders. I don’t like that scheme for Denver.

Hornback: I believe the worst thing you can do is take control out of Peyton’s hands. Honestly I don’t believe there is a better play caller in the history of the NFL. He’s the most intelligent QB in NFL history let him use that. I think Elway coming by and saying “Hey Terrell Davis extended my career, allow CJ to extend yours,” is enough to convince Peyton to take a minor step back. Putting the control into Kubiak’s hands is not the answer.

Fort: Yeah I’m guessing CJ is now Terrell Davis good….child please. My main point is that Peyton is without a doubt declining and I believe Kubiak’s system is and will make it more apparent. Last season we saw Peyton drop out of the top 5, (Rodgers, Romo, Brady, Rothlisberger, Luck & Wilson imo were better) and I believe he has a chance to drop even further down the list this season. (Brees, Rivers, Ryan and Flacco could all be better.) His farewell tour has pretty much started in my eyes.

Hornback: First of all I never said CJ=Terell. I’m saying take a cue from what Elway did and hand it off about 350 times like he did with Terrell. Elway differed so much that he got his passing attempts below 400 at one point. Peyton should aim for that. 2nd of all I disagree with Peyton falling that far out. Until I see him fall apart I’m going to stick by him and still say he’s a tremendous QB than could easily win a championship this year.

Conclusion

Eli Manning, Peyton Manning

Fort: In essence Peyton and Eli could both prove me wrong this season… I just don’t think they will. What do you see them accomplishing this season and how much longer do you think they’ll last?

Hornback: I think Eli will play out his contract and Peyton I think should retire after this season before it gets worse but if they (Denver) fool around and win a ring I could see anything happening.

Fort: True. I see Eli blossoming into a trading chip at some point within the next two to three years. As far as Peyton goes I think he’s done after this season regardless of what happens. I don’t see him playing as long as Brett Farve did while being as effective. They’ll both be gone though in five years max…. And as far this season goes Peyton could make a run towards a another Super Bowl, and for Eli he’s and the Giants are in ”No Mans Land….Nothing is happening.

Be sure to voice your opinions… Do you agree or disagree? We’d love to debate with you.

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Opposite Ends

How was this even a debate? I mean really, who would even ask this question without laughing? One is consistent while the other one inconsistently inconsistent. They’re both going for records. One’s going for the Int. record while the other is on pace to break numerous records. This topic in general is blasphemy!

Honestly does this even look fair?
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                      2013-2014 Season (So far)

Peyton Manning.         Eli Manning
75.8% Completion       53.7% Completion
1, 884 PassYards      1, 721 PassYards
20 Touchdowns.          9 Touchdowns
1 interception.             15 interceptions
136.4 Rating.                64.0 Rating

Joe Flacco the Elite???????

Superbowl Mvp,record for most touchdowns thrown in playoffs history, 11-0 touchdown interception ratio in four playoff games with a Superbowl ring to cap it off. That’s everything Joe Flacco accomplished during this years playoffs; not to overlook the fact he out played both Tom Brady and Peyton Manning en route to accomplishing these feats. After that spectacular run one question must be answered; Is Joe Flacco ELITE? An elite quarterback does great things in both the regular season and postseason. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Ben Rothlisberger and Aaron Rodgers are all elite quarterbacks because of that. You can’t just grade a quarterback on postseason play you have to look at everything. Looking at stats from last season Joe Flacco had 3,610 yards passing with 20tds and 12 picks, completing 57.6% of his passes finishing with a QBR of 59.7 (Total Rating 80.9). This season he had 3,817 passing yards with 22tds and 10 picks, completing 59.7% of his passes finishing with a QBR of 46.8 ( Total Rating 87.7). Now lets take a look at the elite quarterbacks’stats along with 6 others during this two year span.

                 THE ELITE
Tom Brady 2011: 5,235 passing yards 39tds 12 picks 65.6% passes completed. QBR 72.7 (Total Rating 105.6)
This Season: 4,827 passing yards 34tds 8 picks 63% passes completed 77.1 QBR and (98.7 TR)

Peyton Manning 2010 (didn’t play in 2011) : 4,700 yards passing 33tds 17 picks 66.3% passes completed 68.6 QBR (TR 91.9)
This Season: 4,659 passing yards 37tds 11 picks 68.6% passes completed QBR 84.1 (TR 105.8)

Drew Brees 2011: 5,476 passing yards 46tds 14 picks completed 71.2% of passes QBR 84 (TR 110.6)
This Season: 5,177 yards passing 43tds 19 picks 63% passes completed QBR 67.9 (TR 96.3)

Aaron Rogers 2011: 4,643 passing yards 45tds 6 picks 68.3% passes completed QBR 86.2 (TR 122.5)
This Season: 4,295 passing yards 39tds 8 picks 67.2 passes completed QBR 72.5 (TR 108)

Ben Rothlisberger 2011: 4,077 passing yards 21tds 14 picks 63.2% passes completed QBR 63.6 (TR 90.1)
This Season: 3,265 yards passing 26tds 8 picks 63.3% passes completed QBR 62.8 (TR 97.0)

Each of those quarterbacks won a SuperBowl or two and shows greatness throughout the season and postseason. It’s not an “I’ll show up for one part,” type of thing for them. They’re consistently consistent with everything they do. Regular season or playoffs they show up unlike the other QBs.

               The 2nd Tier

Matt Ryan 2011: 4,177 yards passing 29tds  12 picks 61.3% passes completed 69.1 QBR (TR 92.2)
This Season: 4,719 passing yards 32tds 14 picks 68.6% passes completed 74.5 QBR (TR 99.1)

Matthew Stafford 2011: 5,038 passing yards 41tds 16 picks 63.5% passes completed QBR 65.5 (TR 97.2)
This Season: 4,967 passing yards 20tds 17 picks 59.8% passes completed QBR 58.9 (TR 79.8)

Jay Cutler 2011 (injured*) : 2,319 yards passing 13tds 7 picks 58% passes completed QBR 59.8 (TR 85.7)
This Season: 3,033 passing yards 19tds 14 picks 58.8% passes completed QBR 51.9 (TR 81.3)

Matt Schaub 2011 (injured) : 2,479 passing yards 15tds 6 picks 61% completed QBR 67.5 (TR 96.8)
This Season: 4,008 passing yards 22tds 12 picks 64.3% passes completed QBR 62.6 (TR 90.7)

Tony Romo 2011: 4,184 passing yards 31tds 10 picks 66.3% passes completed 71.4 QBR (TR 102.5)
This Season: 4,903 passing yards 28tds 19 picks 65.6% passes completed QBR 62.7 (TR 90.5)

Eli Manning 2011: 4,933 passing yards 29tds 16 picks 61% passes completed QBR 59.4 (TR 92.9)
This Season: 3,948 passing yards 26tds 15 picks 59.9% passes completed QBR 67.4 (TR 87.2)

After viewing those stats does Flacco really belong in the elite category? How many of those 2nd tier quarterbacks is he better than? The answers are no and not many. There are plenty of QBs who led their respective teams to SuperBowl titles who weren’t elite. ( Example Eli Manning both years and Big Ben 1st year.) The playoffs help define your career but doesn’t nec essarily make it. If Flacco comes back next season stellar and playing out of his mind then maybe just maybe he can be considered Elite. But as if right now he’s not.